And Paul only said it here, one time, in the middle of a personal letter. He has Masters degrees in Biblical Exposition and Old Testament from Talbot School of Theology (BIOLA) and a PhD in New Testament from Andrews University. No, im based in Missouri. You dont know him, and Ive just barely met him. I got lots of note on it I thank God and I praise God. Yes, Christians are the new Pharisees and because of Paul will never figure it out. Gamaliel, as it appears, did most toward establish-. . If you continue to post long rambling and inaccurate responses I will ban you from the site. This is a good point, although I am not sure that the tradition is totally reliable. Nowhere. They all teach we should be like Paul and we should listen to Paul without examining Pauls life and Pauls teachings in the light of the teachings of Jesus in Scripture. We know that as a young man Paul studied under the tutelage of Rabbi Gamaliel in Tarsus, who provided him with an expert knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures ( Acts 22:3 ). These would be lofty words for a law abiding Pharisee to be speaking and Paul obviously saw Christ as the laws fulfillment. Paul was in Jerusalem from the age of 3 (under Gamaliel), so to assume he already knew how to WRITE Greek would be fallacious. It is comparing the words of Jesus with the words of Paul (and other men) regarding which one is the Most Important Commandment and which one is the Second commandment, which together fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Jesus is always right. Shaul and Yehusa were both Jews who practiced Judaism, worshiped in synagogues, at the temple and were part of Jewish society and culture. Paul wrote 29 chapters to this church that he founded and then left after 18 months, and also we have Lukes biographical account starting in Acts 18:1. Clinton. The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death. Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. I think Sam is right (somewhere up the thread), one can differ from his teacher, sometimes radically. Lets not waste our time with endless debates about what Paul really meant with his wacky teachings about baptizing the dead or there is neither male nor female. Paul was wrong. Similar to my discussion with Sam above, the evidence for Pauls athletic metaphors is late, maybe 20 years after conversion. Return to your own blog and post this stuff. Acts 21:39 - "But Paul said, ' am a Jew from Tarsus, in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city . :the character and position of his father; his own early training in a Grecian city; and his subsequent training under Gamaliel at Jerusalem. My question is who is the artist who did the painting pictured here, possibly of Gamaliel? What was his last name? Jesus spoke the 3 chapters of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7, including 7:12. For example, Polhill says, The most interesting ruling preserved from Rabban Gamaliel was his insistence that a woman had the right to remarry upon the testimony of a single witness that her husband had died. (Matthew 27:45). Of course Gamaliel might have buried St. Stephen as an act of charity, given his stature in the community, not withstanding the hostility of the public. Dear Wilson, Yes there are ! As to pauls seemingly at odds relationship with his teacher Gamaliel, it is no odd thing for a student to differ from a teacher, especially if the student is quite a zealous one. After Pauls conversion, his passion seems to push him to even greater lengths as he then proclaims the very Jesus he had persecuted! If Christianity means people who follow Jesus as messiah and savior then there is Christianity, beginning with Jewish followers of Jesus and moving out to the Gentiles through the Pauline mission. Exactly what Issa (p) al Masih said NOT TO! We are supposed to paint the house first. Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his . The Acts of the 12 Apostles arent even Canonical but some trash letters that have brought nothing good to the world are exalted as scripture, which is because Paul says scripture in it, which actually is equal to Aggadah and not inspired or less important. I say that Paul became more like a Hillelite and was largely impacted by Gamaliels theology because there are a few instances noted in the Bible where Pauls beliefs line up very closely with Gamaliels. Like Brad Young, he is deeply influenced by David Flusser but unlike Flusser and Young, he is less in touch with mainstream Jewish scholarship. Is it possible that Paul did conceive of certain individual missions against Christians as consistent with a rendering of mercy, that is, mercy to the stability of cultural Judaism rather than mercy to minority Jews (i.e., Christians)? Why do you want Paul to act like a Pope in Corinth, someone who oversees all aspects of the church? Here are 5 to get the discussion started: .1) Pauls boastful conflicting false testimonies, exaggerating and making things up about his conversion experience in Acts 22 & 26, compared to what actually happened (recorded by Luke in Acts 9). GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY GamalielHe Taught Saul of Tarsus THE crowd stood in hushed silence. | Reading Acts, Can You Be a Pastor without going to Seminary? I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. There is no such thing as a Jewish-Christian or a Christian. The reason why Paul is talking about athletics is due to Imperial Court. The people who Paul persecuted were diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that he was raised from the dead. What is a common analogy for a permanent decision? Several people objected that it does not really matter who Pauls human teachers were, after his conversion experience he was taught by the Holy Spirit. You are using anachronistic terms to describe a pre-70 Jewish teacher like Paul. The people who Paul persecuted were diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that he was raised from the dead. Have you even stepped inside shul? There were a plethora of Pharisee within the Sanhedrin that agreed with Yeshua and Yeshua himself is a Pharisee(plethora of verses that state this as well). .2) Paul lying to the Ephesian elders saying he was compelled by the Spirit going to Jerusalem, when in truth he was clearly disobeying God. I also imagine Yoda being Gamaliel and Luke Skywalker being Paul. As Bible-believing Evangelicals, after 2 months of silence, we could ask ourselves. Gamaliel Paul, in a speech to the Jews, tried to influence them by stating that he had been a student of Gamaliel ("I am a Jew, . We can know Gods will. Jesus never said right is wrong, He never said wrong is right. Jesus spoke the words recorded in Matthew 28:18-20, including make disciples of all nations. Jesus never used the term Great Commission, its simply a tradition of men. (Acts 16:1-10). Modern day Christianity has more of its roots in Constantine. Evangelism is part of the Second Commandment given by Jesus, to Love people. Sounds almost like he was in the personal transportation industry back in sword and sandal epic days Peter Charioteer? Maybe not. There is no conservative or liberal spectrum regarding Judaism or the 32 sects of Judaism during the time of Yeshua. I. In Philippians 2:6-11 Paul states that Christ Jesus was preexistent and came to earth: he "emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness." This sounds as if Jesus was a heavenly being who only appeared to be human. This also convinces me that even though it seems he split from Gamaliel, early on, that did not change him into something completely opposite. 2. He was absolutely brilliant. In my reading, it would seem that many doubt the claim that one as zealous as Paul could not have sat at the feet of Gamaliel. at the feet of Gamaliel"). WE are not even in this game! Also Gamaliel was apart of the Sanhedrin which were the people that ultimately were the people who decided Jesus fate and persecuted many of the Jews. I interpret 6 months of silence to mean: even if no one here has the courage to agree with me publicly, no one in the world can open a Bible and prove me wrong from the Bible text on these specific points Ive raised here. They elevate the 4 Gospels above all other Scriptures, giving the 2 highest places of honor to the Gospels of Matthew and John and they have a special high place for Revelation too. He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up. Which is the most important? He just doesnt suddenly become submission to government and punishment, or in his words a prisoner of Jesus Christ. He is, at least, in some small way returning to what he could have been taught by Gamaliel. With respect to Hellenism, Hillel was more open to Hellenism than Shammai and was therefore more open to cooperation with the Romans. Belivers in Yeshua adhered to Lev, 23 and worshipped on the true shabbat. Your name never appears in the Bible after your appointment as the 12th Apostle in Acts 1. Or is it possible that Paul privately harbored more overall agreement with Gamaliel/Hillel than with Shammaite Pharisees, and that Paul felt himself to be a lone dissenter in rare cases (Christians) against his former masters legal hermeneutics of mercy? This is exactly what I am talking about, I have regularly posted articles on this blog saying the earliest Christians were Jewish and I often say in classes (and I am sure I have said it someplace here) that the earliest Christian theology (either Jesus or Paul) was quite similar to the Pharisees. He also intimately knew Gamaliel was was there, at least at The time of Pentecost. To what extent should we use Pauls training at the feet of Gamaliel as background to understanding his later theology? Pastor Niko Thapa. But he certainly does not handle the NT very well from what I have read. Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? The quicker we do it, the more profitable it is for us. As a Roman citizen, Paul possessed a coveted status Listen to Gamaliel. Although Gamaliel was a wise teacher, he was still a Pharisee, so his teaching was not in line with God. Paul's impact on Christianity is enormous and cannot be overstated. And we can but make some comparisons in ourselves. gamaliel was the greatest of the teachers of the pharisees, perhaps of all time, because he was said to have known the law at a doctorate level, so it was with great wisdom that he told the. If we didnt also have the clear records in Mark and Luke, it would be a fairly logical assumption that Jesus sent them out right away, but it would still be just an assumption. Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism. is his own writings Acts 22 22-29. now there is the whole case of Paul a true liar. Once we allow things that we can not say with certainty, we give a foothold to the enemy to sow his seed too. There are three things bearing on this subject among the incidental intimations which we have in respect to the early history of Saul, viz. Since the entire ministry framework both Yeshua and Paul are 100% Jewish, meaning adherence oral and written law, you are to view it from that lense. When Christ was first preached multitudes gladly received the word. I started following this discussion because I wanted to find out more about Gamaliel, but this thread has thrown up many more points about the Apostles and St Paul in particular. Jesus reminds us from The Law at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. [Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27], As to the question of whether the Bible is ALL truly Gods WORDS. No need to answer. Gamaliel is not a Christian, but he certainly demonstrates that attitude in this story! How can I make them understand that they should deal with Paul Worship the same way that I deal with smoking weed? That is OK, if it is not handy then I can look it up myself. He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". To think that all Jewish people were completely unified is to share the same fantasy Christians have about the early church. The sentence begins with So in the NIV and Amplified Bibles, and Therefore in the NASB and King James Bibles, which ties 7:12 to the previous sentences. Why ignore the words of our Lord God Jesus Christ, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets? Then again youre the one creating a construct that Paul was Shammai. Right the man has been in Israel for over 20 years and studied in a Yeshiva and created a University be he knows nothing about mainstream Judaism Yet you cant read a sentence of Hebrew to save your life. This became an issue in front of the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15). . Gamaliel is mentioned a couple of times in Scripture as a famous and well-respected teacher. Definition of tentmaker 1 : one that makes tents. Dang, I wrote that and didnt respond to your last point. Written in stone. What could be more permanent than that? I dont think that he is a Christian pharisee however, I believe that he just holds close to the teachings that he received for over half of his life before his conversion. He comes back to nonviolence and tolerance in his ministry (how he handles the riots and the scourgings). Paul (previously called Saul of Tarsus; c. 5 - c. 64/65 AD), commonly known as Paul the Apostle and Saint Paul, was a Christian apostle who spread the teachings of Jesus in the first-century world. Why is this a strange idea? 15: 8-11 etc. Jesus poured his life into the 12 Apostles for 3 years very personally training them to be the leaders of the church, and Jesus chose Peter as first among equals. If the Hillel tradition did not offer plasticity enough to justify Pauls missions against Christians, is it possible that Paul felt that he stayed basically faithful to Gamaliel/Hillels school and to mercy because the predominant number (majority of cases) of Pauls concrete cases against Christians did not require threats of death (i.e., how many Christians caved in?). I am enjoying the discussion and information/opinions/wisdom here. We cannot be completely certain exactly which Scriptures Paul meant in All Scripture, and what Paul meant by God-breathed. Why cant we be certain? Upgrade to remove ads. That is incorrect. They believe after reading his writings the law is done away with, you can eat what you want and he was anti Judaism. He states not only is he a Pharisee, but where he studied and what tribe he is from. (Soon, in the Logos Library!) The alternative must be that the author of Acts was using some literary licence in portraying the event. But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a short time. Now Ive got 3 slots open. The issue is that the massive influx of gentiles into the sect are causing problems by bringing in gentile customs, natural born Jews adhearing to traditions that contradict Torah. To date, there is either historical nor tradional evidence to support Sauls presence. Id better buy a case of chalk and some more erasers. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? There are some good reasons to investigate Pauls claim to have been educated by Gamaliel. Here are answers to 2 common objections: .a) What about the so-called Golden Rule? Extremely zealous follower of Judaism (Php 3:5-6). There is no greater lie than to lie about God. A Nazarite vow entail a MANTADORY sacrifice to the temple. There is more to Sauls violence than preaching Jesus as Messiah. It addresses exactly what I was thinking, and its thorough. Study sets, textbooks, questions. There is so much theological supposing these days! This comes from inconsciously believing Pauls mantra, the Evangelical Mantra, that All Scripure is God-breathed, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. Moseley is not wrong: the earliest Christ followers were Jewish and no one tried to convert to Christianity, but that is because there was no Christianity to convert to at that point. How can we account for this violent reaction in a man trained by Gamaliel? Posting links about Judaism doesnt correlate that you actually understand Judaism. The people who Paul persecuted were Diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that God raised Jesus from the dead. What Jesus clearly and specifically said is also superior and more important than your opinions about what you think Jesus meant or implied, but didnt say elsewhere. The later evidence of the Mishnah implies an Aramaic commentary on the Hebrew Bible, but that dates to AD 250. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. Probably his training with Gamaliel would have been concluded by the time he was twenty and would have given Paul a very good understanding of Old Testament Scripture. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. [Philippians 3:12-13] (Response- They say third times a charm. Was he working around/with the High Priests, or would he still have been studying under Gamaliel? Mark could be understood as the first core teachings of Peter and the other Apostles. [23] The Orthodox church also venerates Gamaliel as a saint, where he is commemorated on August 2, the date when tradition states that his relics were found, along with those of the Apostle and Protomartyr Stephen and Nicodemus. N. T. Wright describes the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah, as Hillel had said (What Saint Paul Really Said, 26). As a result, Paul calls Peter a hypocrite for following Maase HaTorah or in English Works of the Law instead of what following what the Torah actually stated. Not others in the future who will follow the risen Jesus Christ. God has not changed, and neither has the text of The Bible. "From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land." God bless you all. Mainstream Judaism resistance to Paul isnt a sign of absolute proof that he wasnt a student of Hillel. Its all a part of Gods perfect timing and plan. Phillip, thank you. [1 & 2 Corinthians.}. So if I wanted to be like Paul I could stretch the truth and claim that Marco Barrientos was my worship teacher- but really that would be name-dropping in order to impress people!, Quote from The Atlantic Monthly Magazine, January 1999 Article titled What is the Koran? by Toby Lester. Philo of Alexandria can be thought of as more moderate to liberal on the Law, his brother completely rejected his Jewish heritage (providing the most extreme position possible). It sounds so right, so intelligent, so professional, so godly.. but it is fundamentally flawed. Many self-professed Bible-believing Evangelicals wont listen to the words of Jesus, because they are brainwashed through reciting their mantra all scripture is God-breathed.. Something Paul preaches repeatedly. We should follow the Jesus of the Gospel writers. I could just say Jesus is our model. But never discuss the Scriptures that show why Paul is NOT our model. Cant accept the confirmation bias that the Brit Chadasha are jews observing Torah Judaism and removing corrupt fences. Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Pauls education. Saul (Paul) Persecutes the Church [edit | edit source] In Chapter 9 of Acts, we come into close contact with Saul, later known as Paul, for the first time. This isnt the fullest description of him, but its full enough. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits. [Mark 6:6-7], .2) Gospel of Luke time lag between being appointed and being sent One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. I am one of those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. [Revelation 12:17] No Im not perfect without sin, and No I dont know everything now. The second passage refers to Paul. Some of the trials were limited to the high priest and his inner circle, it is likely the entire 70 member Sanhedrin met to dal with Jesus. Both, it would seem, are not the case. There are many of us Red Letter Christians out here in evangelical land. Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles in Acts 5:34-39. Even though Gamaliel was the one who stated in Acts 5:34-39 that if this Jesus movement were from God there would be no way to stop it, they should just let it run its course, Paul was still influenced heavily by the persecution mindset that the rest of the Sanhedrin had. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred on one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [Luke 22:28-30]. [Acts 18}, .5) Paul acting as an abusive absentee overseer / pastor to the Church in Corinth years after he abandoned them, and clinging to all power and claim to control of money and all aspects of the church ministry, while he was hundreds of miles away teaching full-time in his own school in Ephesus. Religious Jews, who were living under the Law, were asking Jesus (at that time a teacher of the Law) concerning The Law. Paul learned from Gamaliel in many ways that helped him in his ministry such as interpretation. Jesus was asked twice, by two different men, the same basic question about which is the most important or greatest commandment in the Law. There were plenty of other messianic pretenders besides Jesus, the difference is that some claimed that he was raised form the dead. This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. I feel that (not competent to know) clusters of questions like these make me second-guess just how far N.T. Paul has a track record in Scripture of boasting, exaggerating, and stretching the truth to promote himself and make himself appear more important than he really was. He was brilliant and a top-educated person of his day. Not the Baptists, Lutherans etc. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. Who was Paul taught under? As a teen, his family sent him to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel, the most prestigious Jewish teacher of that time, similar to a Harvard education today. Very much the contrary. Wrong. But after Paul went solo without Barnabas [Acts 15] I see no record that Paul ever appointed any elders in any church anywhere. This is a question our experts keep getting from time to time. No it is true and I do know what im talking about since ive been a Yeshiva student for years and learning under well versed Orthodox and Messianic Rabbis. Here however it plainly is not. In fact Paul was called Shaliach and Yeshua was called Rabbi. Why insist that the words of this one special person automatically override the words of Jesus and everyone else in all history, and he doesnt need to have a second witness to confirm his testimony? I would like to check that reference if possible. Gamaliel II, also called Gamaliel Of Jabneh, (flourished 2nd century ad), nasi (president) of the Sanhedrin, at that time the supreme Jewish legislative body, in Jabneh, whose greatest achievement was the unification of the important Jewish laws and rituals in a time of external oppression by Rome and internecine . Pohill points out that Gamaliel seemed to be very resigned about this new Jesus movement, saying that if Christianity was not of Gods will, they would end in disaster just like the false messianic movements in Israels past did (pg 31). When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Dont ask us! If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. The majority of the rest of the book of Acts and the New Testament tells much about Paul's effective ministry as he served the Lord. Perhaps in a synagogue, either Hebrew or Hellenistic? So youd rather channel Constantine, anti semetic church fathers and bad book from amazon from authors who know absolutely nothing about Judaism or what they are even reading. St. Gamaliel, also Gamaliel the Elder or or Rabbi Gamaliel I (Hebrew: ; Greek: ) was a Pharisee who was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, a doctor of the Law (Acts 5:34-40), and the teacher of St Paul (Acts 22:3). Therefore, what Saul was taught was not based off of Gods truth. Perhaps this may not be too much of a stress, no? Note: ingrafted Gentiles were branches of the tree and not replacements of Israel of the entire tree (replacement theology). Imagine Wackyjesus in Wackyheaven, built on the foundations of 12 chalkboards: Matthias, you should have developed your skills in writing and public speaking. There are things which are not revealed and there are things which are revealed to us. These mostly have something to do with marriage and divorce. If you say we dont know enough, or it isnt clear, you are not familiar with the text of the New Testament. Paul might indeed have been a follower of the School of Shammai, but his mentioning Gamaliels name might have been intended to his (Pauls) having studies in Jerusalem when Gamaliel was head of the Sanhedrin. Although he was born in Tarsus in Cilicia, Paul spent a considerable amount of time in Jerusalem under the tutelage of Gamaliel in the strict manner of the law of the Jews (Acts 22:3). Mainstream Judaism also reject Josephus and its evident that he was clearly Jewish. . Also known as Saul of Tarsus, he had been rescued by Roman troops and now faced the people from a stairway near the temple in Jerusalem. Paul adhering to the Feast of Pentacost (Acts 20:16). While Paul was studying under Gamaliel he was exposed to Hellenism, including the gymnasium. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Galatians: Freedom through Gods Grace (Wipf & Stock, 2019). Second, Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, so we can get an approximate early date for Pauls education. Dear Philip, Below are quotes and links from two other blog gentlemen (Christopher, and UnashamedofJesus) who disagree with each other. According to the Hebrew Bible, the tabernacle (Hebrew: , mishkn, meaning "residence" or "dwelling place"), also known as the Tent of the Congregation ( 'hel m', also Tent of Meeting, etc. As for your denial of a range of opinions in the first century, I suggest a something on the Dead Sea Scrolls, representing a more conservative view of practice than the Pharisees or Sadducees. Never mind what Paul said. As a side note, Wright has an excellent article on that on http://www.ntwrightpage.com here: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Paul_Arabia_Elijah.pdf. The overwhelming internal evidence of The New Restament and mishnaic sources on the Schools of Shammai and of Hillel support the liklihood of Paul being from the School of Hillel. The game the dogs play is the same today, Except now they do it on blogs. Gamaliel In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law. Love. https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120. 3). Its too bad that modern Pauls control most pulpits, and are constantly bullying the followers of Jesus into silence, ignoring the words of Jesus, and instead leading people to follow PAAL. Therefore, he must have planted these groups himself. Mantra (noun) (Hinduism.) Bibliography: Bruce Chilton, Rabbi Jesus 28-47; Gamaliel in ABD 2:904. I trust that no one is offended and that as a result of this comment, we might get closer to Him, The Truth. Evangelism is not the most important commandment, and it isnt the entire Second Commandment. They also believed gentiles could convert and be in covenant but there needed to be structure to convert. Granted Shammaite pharisees love their Torah to that extent as well, but it is not a distinctly Shammaite practice. Thanks, Andrew. 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